Circumcision and sex

Well, does there have to be a specific reason other than obedience to God to tell us to be circumsized? I do understand that medically it is more hygenic for males to be circumsized. Therefore, I believe it is best for all men to be circumsized.

>> “for some reason it’s bigger over here than in Europe”

Not after the circumcision it isn’t!
Sorry Rachel - I have a weakness for schoolboy humour.

I hadn’t intended this post to be taken seriously, and didn’t expect any comments. I wouldn’t want to make any pronouncements about this sensitive subject (phnaar phnaar… there I go again), but I I don’t see how a Christian can make a scriptural case for this practice. After all, Paul suggests to the Galatians that those Christians who advocate circumcision should (as it were) go ‘the whole hog’. Surely a prospect to make one’s eyes water!

>> “I expect better from you.”

I can’t imagine why. Especially not if you’re going to share anecdotes like that one.

>> “Please remember that I’m Kim’s goddaughter…”

You’re on my prayer list for that very reason, Beth.

I personally believe we should follow what God said to the Jews in the OT. To me it seems appropriate. I understand what Paul said however that is in relation being a Messianic Jew in termso f physical race in addition to the Faith. The point being that one doesn’t need to be a Christian and a Jew to be Born Again.

On a hygenic note. I understand that doctors strongly suggest circumcision for the basis of hygene on the basis that it requires more work and even when one washes properly there can still be problems. So with all that aside I still believe that it is necessary because I sure don’t remember the event and I know no male who does who happened to have it done.

Many American doctors still say that circumcision is hygienic, although it was proved some years ago not to make much difference on that count (if you, you know, wash and stuff). To be honest, the American practice of circumcising their boys is primarily cultural these days (and baffling to British people).

Hi DH,

You can’t be serious!

Biblically, you sound like a crazy restorationist. You speak of Paul, but evidenty Galatians is not in your canon (e.g. 5:2-6), as you sound precisely like the Judaisers the apostle so vehemently opposed (”dogs” and “self-mutilators” he calls them in Philippians 3:2). Indeed Paul reckons his own circumcision as so much “shit” (Philippians 3:8) now that faith has come, and he is quite clear that Gentiles are in grave theological error if they seeks circumcision for religious reasons.

As for hygiene and time-saving, on your logic we ought to go bald - and shave our pubes for that matter.

Sometimes you’re weird, man!

Crazy is the word, Rachel! But I’m pretty sure that Kim has recorded the first use of the word “pubes” at connexions. That has to be worth something.

Dh - I’m sure you’re going to want to come back at Kim, but please don’t. There really isn’t any sensible argument for circumcision as an act of Christian obedience, and as Wood says, the hygiene argument is weak at best.

Please, let’s leave it. Lord knows what sort of traffic the search engines are going to pull into this post. Serves me right.

“Circumcision doesn’t curb sex? I’d bet that it would for at least a few days afterwards.”

And that is good enough reason to avoid it in my books even if my wife might see the matter in a very difefrent light!

Richard, I will definitely refrain. However, I don’t agree at all that the hygene argument is weak. I also don’t by the Kim’s “straw man” argument referring to other forms of cleanliness.

Rachel, yeah that is correct I’m glad to have the few extra seconds and also don’t have to remember to do the “clean” as you describe.

I guess I can see Kim’s point on the theological. However, I do think tho there is a Messianic definition of circumcision as “set apart” and the nature that a Christian didn’t need to be Jewish in any way to be Born Again. I guess Richard you kind of “won” this argument. However, I still believe strongly that men need to be circumsized for the reason I gave.

I think for Richard and Kim, after looking back on it we agree more that you guys realize. However, I still standfast on males being circumsized.

Beth, I pretty much responded to Kim and Richard to show that I agree more than before on the Scriptural side. I still have a thought on the Messianic “set apart” concept. However, I agree with them more than I did before and I wanted to show them to what extent I agreed with them as compared with before where it was not at all.

Beth did you read this? “I guess Richard you kind of “won” this argument.”
I still believe on a hygenic nature that he didn’t win. However, I will give him the win nonetheless.

we where once gorillas and then cave men so when we where animals which we still are in a way we needed to worry about our foreskins and washing? no! so why be stupid about it? we dont need circumcising it is needed it wouldnt be there if we didnt. I also dont know how females can judge when they dont have one.

Of course, it’s a distortion of evolutionary theory to say that “we were once gorillas”, so I’d agree with you about that, in a sense at least.
As for your conclusion about desensitization, why stop there? Follow that train of thought to its conclusion and you’d cut the whole thing off! Wait — didn’t St Paul write something like that somewhere.

But at the risk of being a killjoy, I’m going to close the comments on this post.