Methodist Church will bar members from joining BNP

by Richard on July 9, 2009

Good news from the Methodist Conference.

Following a “notice of motion” from Conference member Revd Sylvester Deigh, it was agreed that “no member of the Church can also be a member of a political party whose constitution, aims or objectives promote racism.”

I don’t suppose it will affect many people, but this is an important decision nonetheless.

I didn’t succeed in getting to the Conference after all, though they seem to have rubbed along all right without me. Maybe next year.

{ 13 comments… read them below or add one }

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J 07.10.09 at 12:16 am

“We must be clear that racism is a denial of the gospel”

A lot of things are a denial of the Gospel.

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T 07.10.09 at 1:07 am

“A lot of things are a denial of the Gospel.”

Indeed they are, but most don’t pay for bill boards saying that Jesus was a racist just like us and would vote for our party.

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T 07.10.09 at 2:12 am

As a follow up to the previous post I am also glad the Methodist church has taken this decision. I have capaigned against the BNP for a number of years and I know all their lies about defending “Christian Britain”. However it was the election billboard which I think made a definate and public declaration by churches against the BNP necessary. “What woudl Jesus do? Vote BNP” was a massive challenge to us. It was pretty much a declaration of war against Christianity by false teachers and heretics who want to destroy the faith and replace love for hate. Even if the church stayed silent on the question of the BNP and Christianity the BNP would not. So a line had to be drawn in the sand publically to say “NO! This is not the Truth.”.
I know those are strong words but I think they are fair. Even if we leave to one side the BNP’s hatred of Muslims then BNP policy of deportation for Black and Asian Christians would have the effect of ripping apart the Church. Their racist version of ‘Christianity’ flat out lies about God and the Bible, for example saying someone of one race can not have spiritual authority over someone ofanother race and therefore the Bishop of York should be removed from the Anglican church.

I notice it calls for BNP members to still be able to come to church and asks for the church to prayfor BNP members. I’m really glad this has been said. We are all sinners. Just because somebody is lead astray by false teaching does not mean they could not one day return to God, accept the love of God in their hearts and accept people of different nations and races as Brothers and Sisters in Christ. In fact if the BNP are to be stopped then the Truth and Love of God needs to change many more hearts.

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Kim 07.10.09 at 7:36 am

J, racism is not only a sin, it is a heresy. That’s why this particular “denial of the gospel” is forbidden in the church. In a doctrinal sense, racism is on a par with, say, Arianism, but its moral implications are arguably - and most of us would say demonstrably - more insidious.

On the other hand, you might reply that the church allows other heretics to be church members, even ministers. There are certainly plenty of Arians in the URC, as I’m sure there are in the Methodist Church. Can that be right? No, it can’t. But then, again, as Arians, qua Arians, are not complicit in hate crimes, most of the orthodox are not keen on pursuing this particular heresy hunt. Besides, there are so many of the buggers that church decline might turn into free fall!

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J 07.10.09 at 10:19 pm

Racism is on a doctrinal par with denying The Trinity? I don’t know much about T, but Richard and Kim, I really am shocked that you think this is a good thing; you are dangerously overconfident of the church’s ability to control the momentum of this sort of action.

“Besides, there are so many of the buggers that church decline might turn into free fall!”

Look out below.

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Richard 07.10.09 at 10:53 pm

Better that the Methodist Church cases to exist than a Methodist Church that shares membership with the BNP. In fact, a Methodist Church willing to share membership with the BNP has already ceased to exist.

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Dave Warnock 07.11.09 at 5:46 am

“Better that the Methodist Church cases to exist than a Methodist Church that shares membership with the BNP. In fact, a Methodist Church willing to share membership with the BNP has already ceased to exist.”

Amen!!

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Kim 07.11.09 at 7:50 am

Racism is on a doctrinal par with denying The Trinity?

The doctrine of the Trinty is a foundational dogma in a way that anti-racism is not. However, racism is, implicity, an anti-trinitarian doctrine. Only someone who is theologically incoherent could say, “I am a racist who believes in the Trinity,” any more than one could coherently say, “I am a racist who believes in the Lordship of Christ.”

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PamBG 07.11.09 at 9:10 am

you are dangerously overconfident of the church’s ability to control the momentum of this sort of action

No, see, the Gospel is not about ‘controlling’ anyone. It’s about speaking the truth.

A Methodist Church willing to share membership with the BNP has already ceased to exist.

And another ‘amen’ to that.

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Angie 07.11.09 at 12:59 pm

AMEN, AMEN and AMEN!

It is only when Christian’s stop trying to be ‘liked’ by everyone in order to fill the pews - that the decline in the Church will end.

Our calling is not to be ‘liked’ or to cheapen the love of Christ by daring to suggest that we can tolerate racism in ‘Christian love’. Christ died to save us from such deceit, not to make us so ‘nice’ that we would rather sup with a racist than name the sin that currently blights the lives of countless thousands and tries to masquerade as a defense of Christian values!!!

To put all this in perspective - see

Clearly members of the BNP dont want to be members of the Church anyway!

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Ralph Musgrave 08.29.10 at 7:08 pm

Labour (plus Tories) voted to invade an Arab country on the basis of doctored intelligence reports and a pack of lies (more or less Hitler’s reasons for invading Poland). A million or so Muslims, Kurds, etc, died as a result. In contrast the BNP opposed the war from the start. That makes Labour about million times as racist as the BNP. Thought I’d settle for a thousand times as racist if it keeps some odious PC fascist happy.

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Kim 08.29.10 at 9:14 pm

Sure, Ralph, but not because the BNP thinks the war is unjust but only because it believes that the war does not serve British interests. In other words, its opposition is based solely on national self-centredness, self-importance, it’s got nothing to to with ethics. Besides, as far as the BNP is concerned, Iraqis are just a bunch of dark-skinned Muslim towel-heads about whom its members don’t give a toss. And how pricelessly rich for an apologist for the BNP to slur someone else with the term “fascist”.

In any case, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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Richard 08.29.10 at 9:18 pm

You beat me to it Kim.

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