More BNP thuggery

by Richard on May 5, 2010

{ 18 comments… read them below or add one }

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Paul Martin 05.06.10 at 12:07 am

He can be the first prisoner for that penal colony they want inSouth Georgia. And hopefully for a very long time.

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Nick Baker 05.06.10 at 7:49 am

Eye for an eye.

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Paul Martin 05.06.10 at 8:20 am

Which of course Jesus rejects!

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Kim 05.06.10 at 8:44 am

Eye for an eye.

How ironic, Nick, that the lex talionis is Muslim teaching, not Christian teaching: Jesus rejects it absolutely (see Matthew 5:38ff.).

That’s what really pisses off so many of us here. That the values of the BNP are odious is, well, odious enough, but that you claim the name “Christian” for them is monstrous.

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Stephen Mares 05.06.10 at 9:46 am

Not wishing in any sense to be an apologist for the BNP - whose policies are abhorrent - the London news had a slightly longer version of this clip - which showed one of the young Asian men spit directly into the face of the BNP organiser.
Of course there may have been even more before that which wasn’t shown. The whole story is always better than part of it!

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Nick Baker 05.06.10 at 10:15 am

Monstrous for who? For you?

What I’ve found in this allegedly non-existant campaign of mine is that many people agree that the BNP are the only party who will keep this nation Christian, both in church and state, and are openly saying so.

You may find our views repellant, but we are the only people defending your right to preach as a Christian minister. The denial of the Christian faith in this nation, whether it be the banning of crucifixes, the removal of crosses from crematoria, the disciplinary action taken against teachers and nurses for asking their colleagues to pray for someones well being are all symptomatic of a cowardly approach by the ruling elite to our established faith.

I heard NO outcry from any Christian minister when a young Asian man defaced a war memorial in Burton-on-Trent with anti-Christian slogans recently.

The response of authorities (and churches) to aggressive Islamic fundamentalism in this country is lame at best. Do they not want to defend our faith for fear of offending non-Christians?

Do you think Christanity will still be the dominant religion in the UK in 30 years time?

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Robert DG 05.06.10 at 10:28 am

A fuller version of this can be found at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8663681.stm
It shows the BNP thug who masquerades as a politician calling out to a group of Asian men ‘How many of you are robbers?’, in a deliberate attempts to provoke violence (knowing that BNP thugs outnumber the Asian youths, as he points out).
The list of BNP candidates contains the usual Holocaust deniers, Hitler worshippers, convicted thugs etc. We have been warned.

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Chris Pritchard 05.06.10 at 11:33 am

Nick there is no need to defend my right to preach no body has attempted ever to stop me preaching. I certainly do not need racist thugs defending my rights as a preacher.

If Christianity isn’t the dominant religion in this coutry in 30 years time it will not be the fault of the muslims or any other faith. It will be beacuse the Church has failed in its responsinilty to preach the gospel and because those who claim to be Christian and to expouse its values failed to support the church.

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Kim 05.06.10 at 12:29 pm

Nick, you are incorrigible, but because you cannot be allowed to get away with yet another dump on this blog - and because the General Election, in the mercy of God, is almost over - here goes, one (I pray) last time.

(1) No political party can defend Christianity. Even the church cannot “defend” the faith - it can only witness to Jesus Christ in the way of Jesus Christ, i.e. nonviolently.

(2) Preaching the gospel is not a “right”, it is a vocation. To be sure (in the words of the Nature, Faith and Order of the United Reformed Church), “Civil authorities are called … to respect the rights of conscience and belief” of all people, people of any faith or no faith. But quite apart from the fact that it is a lie that “we [the BNP] are the only people defending your right to preach as a Christian”, no Christian needs any defence to preach the gospel (cf. I Corinthians 9:16). Finally, the ultimate default defence of the BNP to preserve the Christian faith in the UK entails that it would not be the Christian faith that is preserved but a grotesque parody of it.

(3) Regarding the petty bureaucratic actions you mention (the banning of crucifixes, etc.), quit whinging. Besides, those responsible for them are fundamentalist atheists, not people of non-Christian faith. Moreover, your complaint is disingenous and hypocritical, as no doubt if the BNP had power you would ban the hijab and niqab, let alone the burqa.

(4) It is typically, tiresomely, and racistly suggestive that you feel the need to describe the war memorial defacer as “Asian”. What’s “Asian” got to do with the crime? Here in Swansea, a war memorial has been defaced by white British youths - rather indistinguishable from the types of yahoos the BNP attracts except for the object of their defamation, which would more likely be a mosque (if the morons could distinguish a mosque from a chip shop). And btw, however we might want to honour the war dead, the blasphemous inscription Pro Deo et Patria is no Christian way to do it (see my recent sermon posted at “Faith and Theology”).

(5) “Aggresive Islamic fundamentalism” is not a major problem in the UK, but those who so aggressivley oppose this chimera, e.g. the BNP, most definitely are.

(6) One thing is for sure: were the BNP in office in thirty years time, eo ipso the church will have taken to the catacombs.

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PamBG 05.06.10 at 1:33 pm

The BNP can’t possibly keep Britain Christian because the BNP haven’t got the foggiest idea of what it means to be Christian. The BNP espouse anti-Christianity, not Christianity.

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Paul Martin 05.06.10 at 2:54 pm

Nick you are in a state of rebeliion against God. You are by choice a representative of a racist party and as such you effectively spit in the face of Christ.

I assure you that God has no need and no desire to be defended by the jackboots of Griffin’s thugs. By promoting them youplace yourself at their level. I urge you to repent.

I’d tackly your points if there weren’t so many. But you scored Zero for loyalty to Christ!

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Nick Baker 05.06.10 at 3:03 pm

You’ve resorted to ‘jackboots, thugs, racists’ etc. Very tiresome.

Just back to the video - if you gob in the face of a Royal Marine, no matter what your colour, what do you expect?

Anyway, I’ll leave you to it. Keep praying for us unelightened souls.

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Kim 05.06.10 at 3:10 pm

As I recall, people gobbed in the face of the King of Kings - and got precisely what they did not expect.

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Nick Baker 05.06.10 at 3:26 pm

But Jesus wasn’t a Royal Marine.

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Paul Martin 05.06.10 at 3:35 pm

Oh Nick your clearly are so much more committed to making a fool of yourself here than you were in conducting your campaign.

Richard has not shown the full film of this attack. I do not defenfd spitting but the youngsters had been called “robbers” just before that happened. I can produce the video.

This was thuggery from a party of thugs. I cannot see any other political party behaving in this way. But the BNP have always been rather keen on violence.

And as a “Christian” Nick you should at least look to the example of Christ rather than excusing this conduct.

I really think you need to put these things behind you and return to Christ.

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Paul Martin 05.06.10 at 3:38 pm

Oh and Nick by the way you questioned whether Phil Edwards whom you admitted had been racist in the vidoe I showed had been a member of BNP for pastb 5 years. Quick research showed he continued to hold office until late 2007. And on BNP website he was recorded as giving talks to appreciative audiences as late as April 2009.

And you have the gall to deny that the BNP is a racist party.

What a joke you are! It seems I know more about the BNP than the candidate for Torridge and West Devon!

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Paul Martin 05.06.10 at 3:47 pm

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Kim 05.06.10 at 4:07 pm

But Jesus wasn’t a Royal Marine.

Perhaps there is a lesson there.

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