Adam, Eve — and Lilith

by Richard on January 31, 2011

Velveteen Rabbi has a fascinating insight into midrash.

{ 19 comments… read them below or add one }

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Bob Gilston 01.31.11 at 9:51 pm

“Many of us may harbor images in our heads of Eve running to find Adam to share with him this delicious fruit. Actually, the Torah explicitly tells us that Adam was there next to her during this entire scene…and not once does he speak up!”

Of course, that’s typical of a man! Adam has a lot to answer for. We still get it in the neck for not speaking up even when we know that to speak up means we’ll still get it in the neck. Adam of course was as fascinated as Eve about the fruit and couldn’t resist sharing it. We’re still falling into the same bad old ways today.

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doug 01.31.11 at 11:00 pm

Don’t believe there was a Lilith so this seems rather heretical to me.

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Pam 02.01.11 at 12:08 am

Doug lives for Leviticus
Obviously a Septic Tank*
Unusually
Gifted at (mis)spelling - and being Kim’s whipping boy

*Aussie slang, google it Doug

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PamBG 02.01.11 at 1:54 am

And here I thought that was Cockney.

“Listerene” means anti American because it’s an antiseptic :-)

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Earl 02.01.11 at 2:24 am

“Actually, the Torah explicitly tells us…” that Eve ate of the fruit and gave it to Adam who also ate of it. Scripture does not locate Adam during the moment when Eve was tempted. To argue from silence that he was present but said nothing is at best groundless speculation. The rest of the article is the figment of a mere imagination of no consequence to Christian faith.

Doug… when it comes to comments, always consider the source. Always consider the source. :)

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Pam 02.01.11 at 7:02 am

Advice from Earl. The funniest thing I’ve heard today.

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Pam 02.01.11 at 7:19 am

Just so Earl doesn’t feel left out:

Egotistical
Arrogant
Really - A
Loser

You jumped-up little fundamentalist.

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Richard 02.01.11 at 7:21 am

“Always consider the source” is hard advice to follow on t’interweb, because, in most cases, all we know of one another is what we’ve read. Kim says he a URC minister in Swansea, but he could be a precocious 19 yr old in Swanage. Doug might be a product of my fevered imagination. So while considering the source might be good advice, considering carefully what has actually been said is better.

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Pam 02.01.11 at 8:11 am

Yes, Richard, I could be Miss Universe Australia. Instead, I am small, puny and not pretty!

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Richard 02.01.11 at 8:25 am

I’ve always assumed that you were the alter ego of a burly stockman somewhere in the outback. ;)

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Pam 02.01.11 at 8:42 am

Flatterer.

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Richard 02.01.11 at 8:49 am

I’ve always been a charmer.

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doug 02.01.11 at 4:17 pm

Richard, I’m a real person and NOT a figment of your imagination.

Earl’s comment on this is correct regarding Scripture. Why do people feel the need to “add to Scripture”? That is where my previous comment of “heresy” comes in.

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Richard 02.01.11 at 4:20 pm

>> “Richard, I’m a real person…”

I know that, you know that — but afaik, Earl has to take that on trust. I wasn’t casting any nasurtiums.

I’m not sure it makes any sense to accuse Jews of heresy. Strike that. I’m sure it doesn’t. And midrash has a long tradition within Judaism.

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PamBG 02.02.11 at 1:15 am

I like the advice to consider the source.

Midrash: respected Jewish tradition. Rachel: sensitive, wise, spiritual., complex thinker and student of God and the human soul. Earl: 100% invested in the white male capitalist status quo who seems to think all truth can be fully and objectively known to anyone who will just see.

I know who I go with.

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Pam 02.02.11 at 1:36 am

“I know who I go with”.
Indeedy, now so do I.

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Earl 02.02.11 at 2:37 am

“Just so Earl doesn’t feel left out…jumped-up little fundamentalist.” Sounds like someone has been taking speech courses from Westboro. Given statements like these, it is not hard to understand why Ghandi gave up on the Christian faith.

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Earl 02.02.11 at 3:17 am

Midrash: respected Jewish tradition. Rachel: sensitive, wise, spiritual., complex thinker and student of God and the human soul. Earl: 100% invested in the white male capitalist status quo who seems to think all truth can be fully and objectively known to anyone who will just see.

Midrash? Opinions, sometimes even bearing a relationship to Scripture. Rachel? In Scripture, wife of Isaac. In this discussion, a blogger. Myself: By the grace of God I am who I am. No apologies offered. None needed.

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PamBG 02.02.11 at 12:28 pm

Earl, I didn’t think you’d take offense or apologize. It is emblematic of our differences. But also means that I’m about as convinced of your “everyone knows this is the way things are” approach as you are of mine.

“Rachel” is the author of The Velveteen Rabbi. She is a friend of a real life friend of mine and I respect her thoughts immensely.

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